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Billowing black smoke is seen soon after the fire on Camp Pendleton ignited earlier today.
Billowing black smoke is seen soon after the fire on Camp Pendleton ignited earlier today.
Fire trucks passing Alturas and Ammunition to enter Camp Pendleton.
Fire trucks passing Alturas and Ammunition to enter Camp Pendleton.
Smoke from the fire on Camp Pendleton.
Smoke from the fire on Camp Pendleton.
The Camp Pendleton fire as seen from Shogo Mountain.
The Camp Pendleton fire as seen from Shogo Mountain.
Camp Pendleton Fire as seen from Murrieta.
Camp Pendleton Fire as seen from Murrieta.

De Luz Fire aboard Camp Pendleton fully contained


Saturday, October 5th, 2013
Issue 40, Volume 17.


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CAMP PENDLETON – As of 6 p.m. Wednesday, Oct. 9, the fire that started at approximately 12:45 p.m. Saturday aboard Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton is listed as fully contained. Acreage was listed at 2,236.

Camp Pendleton Fire Department teams will remain on station to conduct mop up operations and monitor the area for any flare-ups.

The cause of the fire remains under investigation. However, the fire did not begin in an artillery impact area and there was no training scheduled nearby.

Camp Pendleton Fire 93 percent contained

UPDATE - Wed., Oct. 9, 4:45 a.m.

CAMP PENDLETON - A wildfire that blackened about 2,200 acres of Camp Pendleton over the last three days was 93 percent contained tonight.

The blaze erupted early Saturday afternoon close to Lake O'Neill, near the center of the U.S. Marine Corps installation, according to Camp Pendleton's public affairs office.

The intense flames damaged four modular buildings and three vehicles but caused no reported injuries, military officials said.

A total of 195 firefighters from the U.S. Forest Service, Cal Fire and other agencies remained on the lines this evening.

In the hours after the blaze began spreading, about 330 residents of the O'Neill Heights military housing area were evacuated. They were able to return home late the following afternoon.

Roughly 30 patients at Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton were transferred to Tri-City Medical Center in Oceanside and Naval Medical Center San Diego in Balboa Park due to the fire. They were brought back Sunday morning, when the hospital resumed normal operations, officials said.

The cause was under investigation, but base officials said it did not begin in an artillery training area.


UPDATE - Tues., Oct. 8, 2013

Camp Pendleton Fire now 83 percent contained; full containment expected by tonight

CAMP PENDLETON Fire crews continue to work to contain the fire that started at approximately 12:45 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 5, aboard Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.

As of 8:00 a.m. today, Tues., Oct. 8, it was listed at 2,236 acres and 83 percent containment. The reduction in size from earlier reports is due to more accurate mapping.

Southern California Interagency Team 1 took command of the fire at 2:00 p.m. Sunday.

There are 195 firefighters from the U.S. Forest Service, Camp Pendleton, and local, county and state fire departments.

The cause of the fire is still under investigation. The fire did not begin in an artillery impact area.

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CAMP PENDLETON - Full containment was expected this evening over a wildfire that has scorched 2,236

acres on the grounds of Camp Pendleton.

The noninjury blaze erupted around 12:45 p.m. Saturday close to Lake O'Neill, near the center of the U.S. Marine Corps installation, according to Camp Pendleton's public affairs office. As of 6 p.m. Monday, the fire was 67 percent contained, with full containment expected by 6 p.m. today.

The cause was under investigation, but base officials said it did not begin in an artillery training area.

A total of 492 firefighters from the U.S. Forest Service, Cal Fire and other agencies were battling the fire at last count, base officials Monday evening.

In the hours after the flames began spreading, about 330 residents of the O'Neill Heights military housing area were evacuated. They were able to return home late the following afternoon.

Roughly 30 patients at Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton were transferred to Tri-City Medical Center in Oceanside and Naval Medical Center San Diego in Balboa Park due to the fire. They were brought back Sunday morning, when the hospital resumed normal operations, officials said.

The blaze resulted in no reported injuries but caused some minor structural damage, according to the Marine Corps.

updated 7:30 p.m., Mon. Oct. 7

UPDATE: Camp Pendleton Fire remapped and revised to 2200 acres; 66 percent contained - full containment expected by Tuesday

CAMP PENDLETON - A wildfire that scorched about 2,200 open acres on the grounds of Camp Pendleton over the last two days was roughly two-thirds contained tonight.

Hundreds of federal, state and local firefighters battled the blaze, which temporarily forced some military families from their homes and patients out of a base hospital over the weekend, officials said.

The fire erupted early Saturday afternoon close to Lake O'Neill, near the center of the U.S. Marine Corps installation, according to the base's public affairs office. Full containment was expected by 6 p.m. Tuesday.

In the hours after the flames began spreading, about 330 residents of the O'Neill Heights military housing area were evacuated. They were able to return home late the following afternoon.

Roughly 30 patients at Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton were transferred to Tri-City Medical Center in Oceanside and Naval Medical Center San Diego in Balboa Park due to the fire. They were brought back Sunday morning, at which point the hospital resumed normal operations, officials said.

The blaze resulted in no reported injuries but caused some minor structural damage, according to the Marine Corps.

The cause was under investigation.

updated 10:09 a.m., Mon. Oct. 7

Camp Pendleton Fire is 41 percent contained as of this morning, according to Camp Pendleton's public affairs office. Full containment was expected Tuesday, Marine Maj. Amy Malugani Punzel, a Pendleton spokeswoman, said in a

statement.

Story last updated 8:15 p.m., Sun. Oct. 6

CAMP PENDLETON - The fire that started at approximately 12:45 p.m. Sat. Oct. 5, continues to burn and is approximately 2,500 acres and is currently at 20 percent containment. Officials anticipate minimal fire movement and expect to contain the fire by Tues., Oct. 8.

Southern California Interagency Team 1 took command of the fire at 2:00 p.m. today, Sun., Oct. 6. There are 339 firefighters from the U.S. Forest Service, Camp Pendleton, and local, county and state fire departments.

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the facility is now fully functional. O'Neill Heights housing residents reoccupied their homes at 5:00 p.m. today and have electricity and water.

As containment increases, response personnel will be demobilized.

Story last updated 2:15 p.m., Sun., Oct. 6.

CAMP PENDLETON - Camp Pendleton firefighters, aided by Cal Fire counterparts and others from around the area, continued to cut fire lines around a blaze that consumed more than 1,500 acres, and had the fire about 15 percent contained this afternoon.

Residents of the O'Neill Heights housing area were evacuated to the Paige Fieldhouse, and will be put up at Marine Manor or other Mainside areas until they are allowed to return home, base officials said. Fire officials are scheduled to meet this evening to evaluate the situation, and it was unknown if Marines and families would be allowed home tonight.

Meals for the about 230 evacuees were being provided by the Area 13 dining facility and the Paige Fieldhouse. Base officials said there was no fire threat to the nearby De Luz housing area.

Roughly 30 patients of the Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton were evacuated to area hospitals, but the base hospital had resumed normal operations this morning, Marines said.

No one was injured in the fire, which was reported about 12:45 p.m. Saturday near Lake O'Neill, close to the center of the post, and was moving northeast, according to the officials. Traffic on Interstate 5 slowed as smoke rose above the freeway, 55 miles north of San Diego.

The fire also was visible in Fallbrook and other areas in North County, authorities said. The Temecula Valley filled with smoke as well.

The fire caused minor damage to three buildings, base officials said.

Camp Pendleton firefighters were dispatched to battle the blaze, as were Cal Fire engines, air tankers and a helicopter, according to base officials and Cal Fire.


UPDATE: Camp Pendleton fire burns 1500 acres; damages three buildings; some patients of Naval Hospital evacuated

Story last updated 6:33 a.m., Sun., Oct. 6.

CAMP PENDLETON - Camp Pendleton firefighters, aided by Cal Fire counterparts and others from around the area, have spent the night trying to clear a line of vegetation around a brush fire that has consumed an estimated 1,500 acres on the base, authorities said today.

The fire was 15 percent contained as of 3:40 a.m., base officials said.

The blaze caused the evacuation of a nearby housing area and hospital patients, damaged three buildings and sent smoke billowing into the air, base officials said.

The non-injury fire was reported about 12:45 p.m. Saturday near Lake O'Neill near the center of the post, according to the officials.

About 230 residents of the O'Neill Heights housing area were evacuated to the Paige Fieldhouse, base officials said.

And roughly 30 patients of the Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton were evacuated to area hospitals, they said.

The fire caused minor damage to three buildings, base officials said.

Smoke was visible from Interstate 5 in Oceanside, where motorists called 911 as they encountered it. The fire also was visible in Fallbrook and other areas in North County, authorities said.

Camp Pendleton firefighters were dispatched to battle the blaze, as were Cal Fire engines, air tankers and a helicopter, according to base officials and Cal Fire.


Story last updated 6:20 p.m., Sat., Oct. 5.

UPDATE: Camp Pendleton fire now 250 acres; 15 percent contained; some patients of Naval Hospital evacuated

CAMP PENDLETON - An estimated 250-acre fire that is now 15% contained (as of 5:25 p.m.) starting burning on Camp Pendleton today. The blaze has prompted authorities to evacuate some residents of a nearby housing area. The fire has damaged four buildings and sent smoke billowing into the air that could be seen from several areas in North County.

According to Camp Pendleton Fire, there is no danger to the structure of the Hospital, but there has been a partial evacuation (approx. 30 patients) due to the air quality as a preventative measure.

The hospital is not accepting new patients due to a power outage. Other patients remain in the hospital and are still receiving care. There is no immediate threat to the hospital. New patients needing to go to the hospital should go to Tri City, Balboa or Palomar.

The non-injury fire was reported about 12:45 p.m. near Lake O'Neill near the center of the post.

Some residents of the O'Neill Heights housing area were evacuated to the Paige Fieldhouse, base officials said. The nearby De Luz neighborhood was not evacuated.

The area is closed to all traffic at DeLuz Road at Vandergrift Boulevard and Santa Margarita Road at Vandergrift Boulevard.

Smoke was visible from Interstate 5 in Oceanside, where motorists called 911 as they encountered it. The fire was also visible in Fallbrook and other areas in North County, according to base and fire officials and the California Highway Patrol.

Currently combating the fire are eight ground crews and nine brush trucks. Providing support from the air are six air tankers, five helicopters, and two other aircraft.

(previous story)

FALLBROOK - At 1:45 pm, billowing black smoke is being reported by residents in Fallbrook from a fast growing wildfire that appears to be on Naval Weapons Station, on the east side of Camp Pendleton. The fire is just west of Ammunition Road, the main thoroughfare through Naval Weapons from Fallbrook to the main part of the Marine Corps base. At present winds are blowing from the northeast, keeping smoke and fire danger away from the Fallbrook area and most of the structures near the Fallbrook gate. There are no details as of yet from base officials, and firefighters are presently scrambling to plan their attack.amp Pendleton Fire, Lake O'Neill vicinity

For updates and pictures of the fire, please visit https://www.facebook.com/pages/Camp-Pendleton-Scout/244860127876?ref=br_tf.


 

84 comments

Comment Profile ImageYanet
Comment #1 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm
What's heck the wind is keeping it away from fallbrook
Comment Profile Imagemom
Comment #2 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Should we be packing up?
Comment Profile ImageWizard of Fallbrook
Comment #3 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm
That didn't take long......2nd day into High wind warning....and the few and the proud....has caught the base on fire at the Gate to Smokebrook.....
Thought they were all suppose to be on an Obumer leave of absence.....
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook
Comment #4 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Yes, I Can See It From My House !
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #5 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Those Einsteins were probably blowing off bombs again during a Red Flag Warning.....
Comment Profile ImageLinda
Comment #6 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Should we evacuate
Comment Profile Imagezzz
Comment #7 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm
We are evacuating - 25 mph winds by 4:00 pm. There is evacuation on Camp P-deluz area. It is currently 2 miles from us.
Comment Profile ImageResident
Comment #8 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Any updates?
Comment Profile ImageFallbrookian
Comment #9 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:30 pm
There they go again, conducting live fire training in Santa Ana weather conditions. Completely irresponsible. This happens repeatedly, and still the Marines do just as they please.
Comment Profile ImageDe Luz Resident
Comment #10 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Wow, the fire was really big and now on the second ridge from De Luz Rd. and in the green valley. There are few helicopters and I saw a single fire engine on one of the fire breaks. There are two visible firebreaks between De Luz road and the fire. The smoke is moving north and there are no fresh columns of smoke. The show might be over soon.
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Comment Profile ImageDe Luz Resident
Comment #11 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Wow, the fire was really big and now on the second ridge from De Luz Rd. and in the green valley. There are few helicopters and I saw a single fire engine on one of the fire breaks. There are two visible firebreaks between De Luz road and the fire. The smoke is moving north and there are no fresh columns of smoke. The show might be over soon.
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Comment Profile ImageDe Luz Resident
Comment #12 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Wow, the fire was really big and now on the second ridge from De Luz Rd. and in the green valley. There are few helicopters and I saw a single fire engine on one of the fire breaks. There are two visible firebreaks between De Luz road and the fire. The smoke is moving north and there are no fresh columns of smoke. The show might be over soon.
Comment Profile Imagejim
Comment #13 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Thank you for the information I checked the fire protection district sites, north county, fallbrook, rainbow nothing there about the fire.

We have have real, timely information because of your site.
Comment Profile ImageDe Luz Neighbor
Comment #14 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Would 'Holy Smokes' be too much of an under statement? ;-)
Comment Profile ImageObserver
Comment #15 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Wind changed direction, ground level winds now coming from the southwest...ash falling in town. GO FIREFIGHTERS!
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Comment Profile ImageObserver
Comment #16 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Wind changed direction, ground level winds now coming from the southwest...ash falling in town. GO FIREFIGHTERS!
Comment Profile ImageDavid L
Comment #17 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Since the government has shut down, all of the firefighters who are currently working to save your homes from the fires (they are civilians) are not getting paid! That's right, they are on furlough and are fighting your fires for free - all while the billionaires sit back and get richer. As the division between rich and poor grows each day in this country, just remember that. Where would we be had it not been for the bankers who screwed us in the 08-09 crash? The war on the middle class starts with American greed.
Comment Profile ImageKulMom
Comment #18 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Firefighters are our heros!!! I hope the fire is contained quickly with no injuries or major losses.
Comment Profile ImageRLF
Comment #19 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:08 pm
If you would have read up about the fire before posting your comment, you would have learned that training was NOT going on today. Fires do happen for other reasons.All first responders and all military are our heros :)
Comment Profile Imagedaggit
Comment #20 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Let's not just assume how it started. I could see it from San diego 163 and I8
Comment Profile ImageRes.
Comment #21 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Yes, ash at 6:50 p.m. But, I still see a large loom of dark smoke blowing to the North.
Comment Profile ImageHmm
Comment #22 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:52 pm
David l..the firefighters are being paid.
Comment Profile ImageRe- Fallbrookian, Wizard of Fallbrook, and Me,
Comment #23 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Just so you few and not so proud are aware, Red Flag applies to state land not federal land. You guys would not have a place to live, no freedom had it not been for the Marines or the other Military personnel. You need to keep your big traps shut, unless you want to go out and defend our country and people like yourselves who do not appreciate it. The Marines still have to maintain combat proficiency in order to be affective in battle. Just remember, these are the men and women who protect your way of life. If you do not like the military, do not live in Fallbrook, this base has been here before you were a twinkle in anyone's eyes. If it is such a problem, put your houses up for sale and leave already or pipe down.
Comment Profile ImageLong time Fallbrook Resident
Comment #24 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Is there some reason that the Pendleton "officials" continue to conduct exericses that repeatedly ignite fires at the height of fire season? I am sure there will be plenty of comments made about how the servicemen are the reason residents sleep well at night, but the whole purpose of the very expensive U.S. military is to keep citizens safe from threats both foreign and domestic. Threatening the local community wlth fires started by poorly-planned exercises is the epitome of a domestic threat. I expect far better from the most powerful military on the planet.
Comment Profile ImageSusann
Comment #25 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Actually the firefighters are getting paid, it's the fire fighters from the federal reserve who are not!
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #26 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:16 pm
grunt - since the fire is near the hospital, family housing and the Lake O'Niel recreation area, probably did NOT start from live fire. @Fallbrookian, same comment plus a question - when was the last of the repeatedly times the Marines had a fire that endangered homes in Fallbrook, Finally, real nice to see the concern for our fellow citizens on the base that had to evacuate.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #27 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Trying to confuse people like "Me" and "Wizard" with the facts is pointless, they don't need facts to make snap judgements. I will wait and find out the actual cause of the fire before I make any statements, lest I put my foot in my mouth, like some others responding here. They allow their hate of the military, and firefighters in general, to cloud their thinking.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #28 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Always love how these rah-rah clowns like "Comment #23.....are always telling other people where they should go and where they should live...just because we voice our opinions.

I'll live where I want and I'll say what I want.....You don't like it? Tough.
Comment Profile ImageShawn
Comment #29 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:35 am
Marines have never protected my way of life. If they all disappeared tomorrow we'd all be better off and our national debt would go down.
Comment Profile ImageWAKE-UP CALL
Comment #30 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:18 am
"If you do not like the military, do not live in Fallbrook"

How about looking at this from a slightly different perspective?

Considering Bot, Borg, IT, BIO/Nano, and "The Other" modern day warfare technologies presently/being developed, "Boots on the Ground" warfare methodology is antiquated and a sham at best.

So I have an idea... Close Pendleton.

Make it designated public open space. It's that simple.

If the military must continue to practice these asinine ground war games, without consideration to the residual effects and damage to our living environment along with the people who LIVE in it, then the military should move.

Take your third world war-monger mindset along with your ridiculous "caveman technology" guns, tanks and bombs and move it all to a third world environment where it all belongs.

"Boots on the Ground". What a joke.

It's like arriving at an International Computing Forum with a Commodore 64.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #31 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:45 am
Village News,
Is there any official word on the cause of the fire?

EDITORIAL: NOT YET
Comment Profile ImageLou
Comment #32 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:54 am
The area where the fire started is a non impact area. I worked at Lake O'Neil for four years and that whole area is recreational and has base housing, the Marines have no reason to be there training. I hate to say it but it might have been a kid playing with fire.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook res.
Comment #33 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:27 am
Well it's morning, sorry for the Base family s who had to have worry last night. We hope everyone working to stop the fire, knows how thankful we are for them.
Comment Profile ImageAugie
Comment #34 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:29 am
I would really like to know How this fire started.
Comment Profile ImageMitch
Comment #35 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:32 am
They should put a news crew permanently at Albertsons since this happens bi-weekly.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook res.
Comment #36 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:35 am
Thanks to all branches of service, you can be FREE to voice that comments without fear for someone breaking down your door and dragging you off in the night. Have a lovely day, Americans.
Comment Profile ImageJim
Comment #37 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:37 am
I don't understand all these Fallbrook residents complaing about the Marine base. It has been there since the early 40's'.
Why did you move here Didn'tyou know a Marine base was over the hill and you would be subject to the possible problems and noise from the base?
When a flight of helicopters goes over the house I just turn the tv a little louder fo rthe short time they are overhead.
To the best of my knowledge no fire from the base has spread into Fallbrook and caused any damage. The must destructive fire a few years back came from the east.
Get used to living here or leave.
Comment Profile ImageRussell
Comment #38 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:44 am
I understand that there is a new commandant at Pendleton he is most likely from Virginia (Quantico) where it rains every other day. The weeds are green the land is moist. He comes to Cal desert and orders the same lite fire training and burns down part of Pendleton and three building. Being a Marine General he knows everything there is to know, about everything so good luck with that.PS General a few more road side bombs, through in some anti-tank rounds, maybe a few bazooka rounds, and don't for get live rifle fire . With any luck you can burn the rest of Pendleton, and save mowing weeds.
Comment Profile ImageOld
Comment #39 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:55 am
Shawn, every American has had their way of life protected by the Marines, so you failed in American History. And if the Marines disappeared tomorrow the national debt would not go down because our politicians always spend more than they have which means you also failed economics.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #40 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:25 am
Yep Shawn, until you are drafted to fill their position or one of our enemies (and please don't act like we don't have any) decide we look pretty ripe for the picking. The reason you feel they haven't protected your way of life is because you have been lucky to have lived your whole life already protected by people you apparently despise. Must be nice to take safety and security for granted when others have paid with their lives to give it to you.
Comment Profile ImageScott
Comment #41 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:25 am
I have worked at MCBCP since 1981 and a member of the Fallbrook community since 1985. When I first started working at MCBCP there were many more fires than there are now. The Base is considered a training area, leaving out the housing areas and camps. Live fire is performed in defined range areas. During the Clinton era, training in live fire was curtailed significantly and environmental control was being born. After 911 live fire training was increased, as well as the environmental processes that are in place now. The Base tries to reach a balance of good environmental stewardship and readiness of the Marines. The Marines plan training many, many months prior to implementing the events. However, when planning, they do not have a crystal ball to know what the weather conditions will be. Training to keep our Marines 911 ready is crucial to answer the Commander in Chief’s call to duty. As long as MCBCP exists, training will continue. It is what it is.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #42 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:42 am
@Shawn: If the Marines all disappeared tomorrow they would be replaced by the jack booted military of whatever new regime came into power, then when you exercise your right to say any inane thing that comes into your mind about them, you would disappear. Get it?
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #43 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:49 am
@Shawn - really? Have you read a paper, seen the news, paid any attention at all to the world about you? Muslims hate us because we are FREE, without a military you would be living under Shari law, speaking Japanese or German, be under the umbrella of the USSR.
Comment Profile Imagepissed off marine
Comment #44 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:51 am
Oh the marines never protected your way of life? Why don't you take a peek at history and ask yourself this, what did the marines do in WWII in the Pacific that you speak English and not Japanese? Oh and we are the lest paid branch of the military so the debt wouldn't even go down. And I agree with #23 if you silly civilians want freedom of speech remember who died for that right and the constitutional rights we have ingrates. Anyways the fire apparently took out some internet services like Cox services.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #45 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Shawn needs to move to a Muslim fundamentalist country. Then he'd see the way of life and freedoms that are protected.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook mama
Comment #46 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:29 pm
For all of you that ASSUME that the military started the fire, why don't you just wait and see the cause before you start putting blame where it does not belong. Thanks to our military and firefighters for keeping us safe!! And like it's been said before, if you don't like living around the military and the base......MOVE!!! No one has you tied to this area.....
Comment Profile Imagereally
Comment #47 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Well ignornace is bliss!!!! Stop assuming things. If you knew where the fire started you would realize it wasn't in a training area. Such training isn't usually so close to the hospital. The ones that want to complain about the military and training why move close to a military town? If our marines and sailors didn't live in this area, this town would be hurting. Stop being ignorant but that may require you to pull your head out of your behind and for some of you it's to far up there to realize it.
Comment Profile ImageCount me as unimpressed
Comment #48 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:55 pm
You people are too funny! Burning down the town = protecting us.
Comment Profile Imagemarinewife
Comment #49 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Thank you Scott for the history of pendleton as far as training. So often we think about just today and don't look back where it began.
Comment Profile ImageNew Resident
Comment #50 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm
We really need to drastically scale back our military spending. People who make decisions to engage in live fire practice during Santa Ana conditions really shouldn't be entrusted with a weapon of any kind.
Comment Profile ImageFurious!
Comment #51 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Great that I have to subsidize through my tax dollar the endangerment of my own community.
Comment Profile Imageproud mother of a marine
Comment #52 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:21 pm
my son has been a marine for 11 years. he joined right after graduation. shawn, what did ur sorry butt do after graduation ( if u graduated) the next time there is a threat to our country, people like u should be investigated. I bet ur momma is real proud of u. oh yea, he was stationed at pendelton for 3 years. his baby daughter was born while he was serving In afganastan.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #53 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 pm
This is not a fire caused by training, it started in a populated area near a hospital, not a training area. It's going to end up being an accidental fire, just like the one that started in and burned part of Fallbrook several years ago (oh, and by the way, the Marines evacuated people in Fallbrook through Camp Pendleton, horrible military, too bad it was there, right?).

It must be nice to have a constant scape-goat to stomp your feet at and blame for every bad thing that ever happens in the area.
Comment Profile ImageMomofRecruit
Comment #54 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:29 pm
This may sound selfish, but I have an 18-year old recruit that is in his 7th week of training, have any of you thought of the young men so far from their homes and family for over a month, with two more to go? I would just love to see or talk to my son right now. I'm proud he's training to be a marine - let see who needs them when a terrorist attacks our country! My first concerns would be the safety of others - not a structure.
Comment Profile ImageKevin Lang
Comment #55 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:25 pm
I'm glad we have the Marine Corps. as it provides employment to those who really would be otherwise unemployable.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #56 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Furious et al, I have asked before and will again - WHEN DID A FIRE AT CAMP PENDLETON endanger, burn down, force an evacuation, of Fallbrook? The training area fires are not a threat, too many fire breaks between them and you. I have no problem with opinions, you can have any you want, but when several of you claim that Pendleton fires repeatedly threaten the town, that is a misstatement of facts.
Comment Profile ImageSoon to be marine
Comment #57 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:59 pm
This makes me sick I can tell you everything that I'm to leave behind me while I go to boot camp and get shipped off but I won't I'll just tell you there are kids who haven't even seen there dads or mom in there lifetime there are kids who will never see there dad or mom because they were fighting for your freedom. But no you don't care about that you just rather blame them on causing a fire that they didn't have anything to do with. You guys make me sick learn to thank and not accuse. I dont know about you guys but when I see smoke from base or hear bombs on base it reminds me I will always be protected and I can't wait to help protect this country even for you guys who blame the marines for everything.... The few the proud the marines
Comment Profile Imagefallbrook mama
Comment #58 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Does anyone know if the schools will be open tomorrow?
Comment Profile Imageanswer
Comment #59 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:02 am
The fire was started by a deliberate back-burn
Comment Profile Imagerm
Comment #60 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:05 am
lets all fight over this blog space, this people is the downfall of America. us and the way we treat each other.. WITH NO RESPECT.. congrats.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #61 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:33 am
As I read the comments I think -- How dare anyone criticize our military.
Yet, I believe we need to change the way we protect America. The threats we face today are far different than in the past and technology demands we change our tactics.
Invading and occupying a foreign country with ground troops no longer combats terrorism and besides, the days of fighting a war on the ground using tanks etc. are over.
I am proud of our Marines for the job they have done to protect America in the past but believe the maneuvers they practice at Pendleton are becoming old school and unnecessary.
Comment Profile ImageKay from Temecula
Comment #62 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:51 am
To proud mother of a marine. On the one hand you rant on about how your kid is somehow doing us some great favor by serving while at the same time calling for an American citizen to be investigated just because he stated an opinion that was different from yours and that you don't agree with? If your kid and his comrades in uniform share your disregard for free speech I'd think we have more serious problems much closer to home than Afghanistan.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #63 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:51 am
@ # 59
Wouldn't you already have to have a fire to deliberately start a back-burn.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #64 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:00 am
@Preston - Let's think back to Viet Nam - unconventional warfare, because NVM could not match us conventially, BUT when we left, tanks rolled to Saigon. If we do not have the abilty to fight the full spectrum of warfare, the enemy will use tanks and "traditional" warfare. The reason we fight them on thier terms is concern over civilains- we could military march through AFGHAN, destorying everything - but we as a country do not war on civilians.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #65 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:45 am
@Soon to be Marine...

Wow. You have already anointed yourself "hero status."

Nobody forced you to join the Marines..just do what you get paid for and shut up.
Comment Profile Image@ Preston
Comment #66 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:31 am
How do you know the maneuvers they practice at Pendleton are old school and unnecessary? Are you in on the loop of the training programs? Have you planned, scheduled, or participated in any of them lately?

Or are you just giving an uninformed opinion based on your own beliefs as to what our troops are being trained/not being trained to do?
Comment Profile Imageanswer
Comment #67 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:47 pm
To Preston - they had a control burn set, and needed it contained so they set a backburn which got out of control. Reliable source.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #68 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:59 pm
@Soon to be Marine....Congratulations and OOH RAH. Pay no attention to "Me" he is one of those grouchy old men that you always hear about. He is evidently unhappy about how his life has turned out and wants to blame it on everyone else. Poor thing.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #69 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm
@soon to be Marine - welcome to the Corps! May your journey be as satisfying to you as mine was to me!
Comment Profile ImageScott
Comment #70 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:51 pm
@grunt #56: There was a fire in the mid 1980's that traveled out of the impact area near Camp Las Pulgas into Fallbrook. Unfortunately, it consumed a few homes, structures and avocado groves. The CPFD does not go into the impact areas due to the possibility of unexpended ordinances. Other than that fire, the CPFD does an excellent job of managing fires on MCBCP and Naval Weapons Station (NWS) Fallbrook. To be honest, the Gavilan fire of 2002 traveled onto NWS and did damage, and the Rice Canyon fire of 2007 posed a real threat to NWS and MCBCP.

The Marines strive to be good stewards of the land. They put a lot of effort in the planning of all necessary training. Training is paramount to minimizing the loss of life when the Marines are called to duty by the President. The intent is not to start fires, but to train and be at the ready. Its unfortunate that fires are started and cause smelly smoke and anxiety, however we live in SOCAL and fires happen. Its one's prerogative to express their freedom of speech. I'm grateful for those that came before me and stand tall now to make it possible for me to express my grievances.
Comment Profile Image22 year retired Marine's wife
Comment #71 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm
"Me" @#65......I do not speak for the Corp. I do not speak for Fallbrook village news, I do not speak for my husband. I SPEAK ONLY FOR ME......Shut up yourself, you are nothing! You just erased anything good you ever did in your life. Fallbrook Village News I wish you would stop taking comments on this fire. Fallbrook has no one good left in it.
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Comment Profile ImageSweet (Soon to be a Marine)
Comment #72 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Thank you for what you are about to do!!!! For the rest of your life, long after you retire from the Corp. Please, remember my words " You are "my" Hero, my 7 childrens Hero,my 10 Grand childrens Hero and my 4 Great Grand childrens Hero" If you ever feel alone and start to forget why you are a Marine. Please, remember Us! We will be saying a prayer for you and sending a daily Thank you for our FREEDOM!!!!! Semper Fi in advance! (To your family Thank you also for such a wonderful man)
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #73 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 pm
My dear fellow Fallbrookers, what this latest fire proved yet again, IRREGARDLESS of the shut down and lack of funds, is that we can never be prepared enough. Well, wouldn't it make perfect sense that the MORE able folks we have to fight a fire the better? That would certainly make sense to me! So why not . . . have an additional TRAINED fire volunteer group, one that is trained by our local fire department? Oh, I'm not talking about A-Z training but just the basics -- or a bit more -- which would certainly HELP in a disaster. Remember October 2007?

My dear fellow Fallbrookers, I give you . . . F.F.A.R.T.: Fallbrook's Fire Alert & Readiness Team.

Here's how it works. Men between the ages from, say 18 to 50 or even 60, VOLUNTEER to learn the basics of fire fighting that is taught by our local fire fighters. Basic equipment -- fire hoses, masks, things like that -- is then given to some of these volunteers and placed in such a way that Fallbrook is, oh, strategically "covered." In other words, equipment in, oh, every neighborhood. You get the idea. Something like that. And the whole neighborhood would know of this designated "keeper" of this fire equipment. The whole point of this all-volunteer group is obviously two-fold: the response time is shortened and a greater manpower is spread over a larger area. Voila!

HOWEVER -- yes, yes folks, there is a 'however' -- who do you think would and WILL protest the loudest and would object to this idea? Firefighters, of course. (Let's see what the responses are, shall we?) Who else? WHY would they object? Well, there are several reasons. One, they don't want us to see the behind-the-scenes. Heaven forbid more and more of us actually see that firefighting really ISN'T a big deal. Therefore, what WE, THE PEOPLE -- oh, you knew I had to throw that one in there somewhere, didn't you? -- would also see and realize is that firefighters' salaries and bonuses and pensions juuuuuuuuuuust might not be justified. Therefore, they wanna keep things secret. Gee, no kiddin'. Heaven forbid we actually have TRUE democracy and transparency and all that good stuff, ey? Two, firefighters will argue that having MORE able-bodied folks willing to fight fires is -- you guessed it -- a . . . bad thing. Hmm, funny though how that is always their complaint after EVERY fire, ain't it? "We need more fire fighters and more equipment. And we need more resources." Resources -- that's their fav word . . . which really is a code for, "Taxpayers, keep on forkin' over the money!" Well, with this volunteer force . . . WE, THE PEOPLE would actually HAVE more resources. OK, let's see, what other fear tactics could they bring up? Oh yeah, and then there's the LIABILITY issue. Riiiiiiiight, riiiiiiiiiiiiight. We REALLY care about some liability crud as flames are licking our behinds and we are, as many of us were in October 2007, trying to put out a fire and SAVE OUR LOVED ONES AND HOMES! All we care about at that particular moment is to save our loved ones and homes IRREGARDLESS who does it! Hello! So isn't more firefighters better??!! Gee, call me crazy but I certainly think so. The whole point, my dear fellow Fallbrookers, is that WE, THE PEOPLE, would be able to look . . . in firefighters' kitchen, so to speak, and well, firefighters don't like that concept. Psst, they wanna keep their chili recipe a secret, don't they?

Look, fellow Fallbrookers, why not organize a Fallbrook volunteer firefighting crew? Why not? Yes, it would be for free. Get over it, folks! (OK, OK, so we could have hot dogs. And soda.) Oh yeah, that's another reason why firefighters would hate this idea: folks fightin' fires for free would be just as effective as those making basically 6-figures . . . and O.T., baby . . . and guaranteed pensions . . . and all those perks. Gee, we mustn't have that, must we? I am absolutely certain that hundreds if not thousands of Fallbrook men would show up! I know they would!

Fallbrookers, what do you think of this idea, please? Let's hear your input, please. Let us come together as a community right here on this thread, put our heads together, and come up with GOOD solutions. What do you think? Love it? Hate it? Why? What are your ideas? Let's talk. Let's discuss. Let us communicate.

Let us make things better!

PS. Oh btw, I almost forgot. What would F.F.A.R.T.'s motto be? "I have a long hose."

PPS. Ladies, any objections?
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #74 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:44 pm
@ #69 Grunt

Grunt, what you meant to add, of course, was . . . a journey which, up to the second I die, was, is and will be paid for by the hard-working American taxpayers many of who, at this moment in our nation's history, are breaking their backs working even two jobs just to make ends meet, but because I'm a selfish son of a you-know-what and DO NOT REALLY LOVE MY COUNTRY but only pretend I do because I REALLY ONLY love the steady paycheck/pension, I couldn't care less about civilians and THEIR hardships and consider them the enemy.

Why leave out the details, Grunt, ya know what I mean, baby?
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #75 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm
@ #29 Shawn

Now, now Shawn, you know you might be sent to the principal's office for your comments by the ever-present military-industrial watchdogs on this thread. Yes, there's also no chewing gum in class.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #76 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:53 am
Note to all who are posting here: If Lee agrees with you, then you must automatically know that your comments are seriously flawed.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #77 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:59 am
@ #62 Kay from Temecula

I love you, girl!
Comment Profile ImageTo FVN
Comment #78 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:08 am
You don't allow personal attacks so why do you let this idiot keep making attacks against a group?
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #79 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:28 am
@ #50 New Resident

I love you!
Comment Profile ImageFVN STAFF
Comment #80 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:34 am
To FVN,
If we were to censor all the negative comments against groups, we would lose credibility as unbiased. As for the military, it is our experience overall that they are very respected and appreciated in our area and it is good to allow the enlisted, the vets, the friends and family of our military and the community at large to defend them. Does that help?
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #81 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:42 am
@ #78 To FVN

Because this is the United States of America where we have freedom of speech and allow differing and ALL points of view. This ISN'T North Korea, etc., got it?!

To To FVN, instead of ever-so-cleverly averting the discussion, what do YOU think of my proposed F.F.A.R.T.? What is your input? Please feel free to exercise your freedom of speech!

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VILLAGE NEWS REPLIES: Gee, Lee, thanks for the nice invitation, but commenting on your comments isn't really a priority. No offense. We just prefer to focus on bringing the news to this site. Your proposed volunteer system isn't anything new; sorry about that. Fallbrook has quite a history with devoted volunteer firefighters and two volunteer departments remain locally. D. Ramsey
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #82 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:45 am
Thank you FVN staff. The Marines understand that IT is their job to protect the rights of idiots just as it is to protect the rights of the rest of us. That is what this country is all about. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice, for ALL.
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #83 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:50 am
This again is why, every day, I'm thankful for living in the US of A!!

Freedom of speech, contridiction, opinion, judgement and still have my toes and fingers...N. Korea...Iraq...etc., we wouldn't have life right now!!
Comment Profile ImageBougainvillea
Comment #84 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Dear FVN: Please forcefully follow up with Camp Pendleton leadership on the investigation to determine the cause of this fire. The leaders slmost always say they don't know why the fire has started and that it is under investigation, they we hear nothing. It's as they hope we will forget about it and go away. If military activities are conducted during times of high fire danger, there should be some accountability. Civilians that cause unnecessary fires due to carelessness have been brought to justice, but there never seems to be any sanctions against the military for ignoring the warnings about fire danger. This is not an issue of whether we support the military, this is about common sense.

VILLAGE NEWS REPLIES:
Forcefully follow up? You realize we are talking about Camp Pendleton, right?
We have formally requested to receive the information pertaining to the cause of the fire.
In our experience, when fire agencies complete their investigation, they are very forthcoming about the cause of the fire.
When you talk about Camp Pendleton, or any other U.S. military base about any item under investigation, the newspaper will be told when the military decides it is ready, if ever.
That's just the way it works.
D. Ramsey

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